To the Lihr Committee

I speak to you all at Cons and I send you e-mails as to what I am doing with Tarfin.
I have even sent a few e-mails on how frustrating it is to do things; I though that had changed, but it seems it has not.

I now have had one of my main threads locked and the one about the carts for the Sanctum has been given a slap in a very nice way but still the same it is a rebuttal.

This is a player driven campaign your words to me yet when we try to do things we run into speed bumps if not brick walls. Even after getting the go ahead to do things.

It seems what ever I try to do is wrong or not to your liking all that I have tried to do over the last year have been communicated to you at Cons and in many e-mails. I have even changed what I was trying to do at your request. You control the campaign and it is yours to do with as you see fit.


It is therefore with great sadness and regret that I now say enough is enough; I will no longer post on the Lihr boards this will stop any and all problems that you seem to see cropping up when ever I try to do something?s. I will stick to the table top games and support the campaign that way.

Regards

Gary Monteith



PS Just as a point of interest

As to the engineering aspect the carts as described are wider than they are taller there centres of gravity is very low. The walkway you are describing are a rope bridge affair have been used thorough out human history for thousand of years and carts far larger and heavier with higher centres of gravity have been using these types of affairs and cross safely enough. From an engineering aspect a swing rope is quite stable it has a minor centrifugal force that keeps most things on it. People and the objects under there control come of when they do not know how to use or cross them. I made the assumption that as we have lived in the trees for years that would be a given.

Gary

I've replied to your email as well, but what I'd like to say here, as it applies to everyone equally, is with regard to your comments about doing things.
We've always said that this is a player-driven campaign, however as in real life that doesn't mean that everyone gets to do what they want all the time (if you'd ever been privy to a committee meeting you'd know that this applies to us just as much as to our players.)
What I would say is that we undertake to consider anything proposed to us and incorporate if appropriate. This doesn't necessarily mean the decision will make sense from a technical point of view (I make no claim to understand stretcher technology or rope bridges, I don't see why Bobil would either, but if it looks dangerous to her then she's unlikely to want to use it. The trick is then to persuade her that it's safe...)

As Lou made clear in her post the thread-locking was a temporary measure, just to put the brakes on while we sorted out the issues arising. The loss of the old forums means that we have lost some previous information: we can only plead patience and understanding.

Su

I am sorry but nothing has been said here or in the e-mail that address what I see as the problem with the way that things are done or handled in Lihr. I see no reason to change my mind at this time about posting further on this forum.

Regards

Gary

Gary, I am sorry you feel this way but as as Su has said before, though yes it is player diven campaign not everything will taken for granted. You of all the players in this campaign have had far more stuff accepted then anyone else.

We do not mean to bruise egos or to make people feel they are being stamped on, but we have to be realistic and practical. You can't do half of the stuff you've been doing here on any other forum so I really can't see why it is always here that you must have the issues and threaten not to post.

We could be more harsh and take the 'player driven' aspect out of it and lead you along like in other campaigns, that might make some people happy but it's not our style. And when we say player driven we mean what you do in the scenarios as much if not more then anything else ie. the decisions you make in the scenarios affect they way the campaign goes.

As I recall, Su asked you repeatedly for a design/rough scetch of what you were proposing for the Mesa buildings, she even brought a scanner to a con to scan your design. However you have repeatedly not provided these so that issues could be addressed but instead 'presumed' it was all ok and gone ahead with it.  So it seems it's ok for you to be falible but the moment we don't do something you or anyone else wants then it's all our fault and toys are thrown from the pram.......sorry if this seems harsh but this has been an ongoing thing and not just with you and frankly we the committee get more grief then we do thanks for all the hard work we put into this campaign that I for one, wonder if it's worth it come the end of the day.

Anyway, as it is far as I can tell we don't have a problem with your construction, all we wanted was clarification of the plans/design as it will effect what happens in the future running of this campaign. The thread you were posting to has now been reopened and I have deleted my post as you have responded to the committee's email.

As for the Bobil thread. I like your idea of a stretcher on wheels, but no I don't like a 2 story version. I'm no engineer, I can only go by comments from other committee members but again as in the past you seem determined to bring modern tech into a fantasy setting. Moden tech has no baring here, it never has as we have tried to say before...if it did then we would not have mages or clerics cause thats just soooooo unreal and can't be explained by science can it.

Gary, please don't take everything as a personal attack or afront to you and your ideas, it's not ment to be that way. You come up with some very good ideas but we still have to try and incorperate them into this fantasy campaign setting, so if some things are not accepted then please understand it's not an attack on you but the practicality of getting these things to work in this setting.

I'm sorry if you do not like any of what I have said and we will be even more sorry if you stop posting but at the end of the day that is your decison and for our part we have done everything we can to please you and other PC's but it seems that is never enough and we can't please everyone all of the time.

Lou.

It has now become very apparent that there is a communication break down here even after the multiple e-mails and posting.

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So it seems it's ok for you to be fallible but the moment we don't do something you or anyone else wants then it's all our fault and toys are thrown from the pram.......sorry if this seems harsh but this has been an ongoing thing and not just with you and frankly we the committee get more grief then we do thanks
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All I have is rough sketches I can not do a drawing/layout what I was trying to do on the shore of the lakes and cliffs as I never received from you the committee the drawing that I repeatedly asked for I still have some off the e-mails requesting this and answers saying it would be done.

I did receive a drawing from Su yesterday but it was off the whole lake and surrounding area. The area in question to be used looks no bigger than my small finger nail. Also the area is not anyway near as big as described and what ever plans I had sketched up even after talking to Su on the phone are no good. I would have to start from scratch again; not a problem but the time scale given I do not think I can now do it before the new-year; but as I have promised Su I will try and get it done.

I do not take every thing as a personal attack nor is it a case of teddies going out of prams it is that.

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I can only go by comments from other committee members but again as in the past you seem determined to bring modern tech into a fantasy setting. Moden tech has no baring here.

This is as you say a fantasy setting that has Engineering in it. All the Engineering that has been done is compatible with a fantasy setting nothing that I have done was in use over 2000 yrs age. A lot of the DnD source books draw heavily on medieval setting and culture, and go even further back. I have made sure I stay well within those guide lines.

It is clear that all posting now seems to do is cause problems for me and you as a committee and I think we will just have to agree to disagree on some of the fundamentals of what you / I think can and can not be done in a fantasy setting.

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I know that this is a general comment Lou, as I do go out off my way to thank each and every committee member and anyone else that helps


I do not want to fall out with anyone I count you all as friends, and friends should tell the truth. I feel I am being driven away from the campaign and that is a great pity.


Therefore my decision stands I think it best for all concerned and I will no longer post on this forum.

You run the games you give up your own time to do all this and I do thank you one and all for everything you have done in the past and will do in the future.

Regards

Gary

There were maps on the forum, yes it was an overall landscape of the city and surrounding area but it was there the whole time. I am sorry you didn't get a more detailed map of the area in question but even the big one should have been of some help even if small.

I have asked people to email/speak to me if they have had problems with getting responses ect from other committee member so that I could then chase people up. You have done so in the past with other things and have I not got things done for you? and did I not keep you updated as I have done for other people? However I did not recieve anythign with regards to your wanting the map, I heard you wanted it from others but then as I heard nothing more I 'assumed' you had got what you needed. Perhaps it was wrong of me to assume but I am no mind reader and aside from the forums I had other major real life issue goin gon that not everyone is/was aware of and which I am not prepared to discuss on this forum.

'We' are not driving you away Gary, you leave of your own free will. As I said it will be a shame as I/we enjoy reading and responding to everyone who posts.

Again I will say.....if people want to change things in the campaign, make a difference then they need to step up to the plate and volunteer or this campaign will diminish.